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Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.04.24 06:59:00 -
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currently training battle cruisers to IV.
i was going to do it, at some point... the announcement just made me do it sooner rather than later. |

Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.04.25 15:52:00 -
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Is there any word of what would happen if you were in the middle of training BC or dessy when the changes happen?
for example if you were 50% of the way through battlecruiser V. would you have all 4 racial skills at 50% of the way to the next level (provided you had the relevant prerequisites) or would they be at 0% progress?
this is the situation i'll find myself in and i was wondering if it was worth putting battlecruisers V in to my training plan or not. |

Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.04.25 18:03:00 -
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Darius Brinn wrote:Dave stark wrote:Is there any word of what would happen if you were in the middle of training BC or dessy when the changes happen?
for example if you were 50% of the way through battlecruiser V. would you have all 4 racial skills at 50% of the way to the next level (provided you had the relevant prerequisites) or would they be at 0% progress?
this is the situation i'll find myself in and i was wondering if it was worth putting battlecruisers V in to my training plan or not. The best things that could happen is that either you get refunded those points, or you are given your racial BC "half trained". In either case, you would lose on any potential bonus they're handing over, so I'd train it ASAP if I were you. BC V is one of the skills that makes me the happiest, currently. Incredibly useful.
this is the issue; i either train it to level V, and sacrifice the prerequisites for three races, or sacrifice battlecruiser V. i'm mostly a miner so i think sacrificing rank V is a lesser evil than 3 other races to battlecruiser IV. time is against me :( |

Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.04.25 19:39:00 -
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Darius Brinn wrote:Dave stark wrote:[quote=Darius Brinn][ this is the issue; i either train it to level V, and sacrifice the prerequisites for three races, or sacrifice battlecruiser V. i'm mostly a miner so i think sacrificing rank V is a lesser evil than 3 other races to battlecruiser IV. time is against me :( I am afraid I don't understand. In order to FULLY and ABSOLUTELY ensure that you will receive all racial Battlecruisers V and all racial Destroyers V, you need: -All Frigate skills to IV. -All Cruiser skills to III. -Battlecruisers V. -Destroyers V. Before the patch hits, you have PLENTY of time to train all this from ZERO, even if you started today (I think). Frigates to IV and Cruisers to III takes less than a week in total, even if you don't have ANY Frigate trained to IV already (which is pretty stupid). Cruisers to III takes around 3 days in total, even with low skills, if I'm not mistaken. Destroyers V takes 8 days or so from zero to V. Battlecruisers V takes 15 to 20 days depending on your skills. I don't know when Inferno fully hits, but they've said that they want to revamp the ship lines before the skills changes. You HAVE time, more than enough. But don't delay it if you can. I would have liked to be training Large Blaster specialization or maxing Gallente subsystems, but in 2 days I finish Destroyers V and I can get on with my EvE life, forgetting about all this until Inferno hits and I still find myself ABLE to fly all the ships I can fly today. patch is out on the 22nd. that's 27 days. tomorrow i'll be able to add battlecruisers V to my queue. that'll take 23 days, leaving me with 4 days. that'll take ~5 days. so i'm either going to sacrifice one of the racial battle cruisers, or i'll have a day or two left on battlecruisers IV, but it'll almost be finished training to V
if i train frigs/cruisers before level V battlecruisers, and then the patch comes out before i finish battlecrusiers IV, what will happen to the skillpoints? will they just give me all battlecruisers IV with 0% progress to rank V and say "you just wasted 25 days, but you got all 4 races battlecruisers at IV"? because if that's the case i'd gladly drop one of the racial battle cruisers because I to V is faster than IV to V 4 times.
does that make any more sense? |

Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.04.26 07:33:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Dave stark wrote:if i train frigs/cruisers before level V battlecruisers, and then the patch comes out before i finish battlecrusiers IV, what will happen to the skillpoints? will they just give me all battlecruisers IV with 0% progress to rank V and say "you just wasted 25 days, but you got all 4 races battlecruisers at IV"? because if that's the case i'd gladly drop one of the racial battle cruisers because I to V is faster than IV to V 4 times.
does that make any more sense? Latest info is that they are not going to remove current destroyer/battlecruiser skills before they have done with rebalancing. We don't know when they start rebalancing ships. They do T1 frigates and cruisers before T1 destroyers and battlecuisers. well i'm only a couple of days short on time, if it was all to be done on the day of the patch, so i guess i'm safe. |

Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.04.26 11:00:00 -
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Darius Brinn wrote:Dave stark wrote: patch is out on the 22nd. that's 27 days. tomorrow i'll be able to add battlecruisers V to my queue. that'll take 23 days, leaving me with 4 days. that'll leave ~5 days. so i'm either going to sacrifice one of the racial battle cruisers, or i'll have a day or two left on battlecruisers IV, but it'll almost be finished training to V
if i train frigs/cruisers before level V battlecruisers, and then the patch comes out before i finish battlecrusiers IV, what will happen to the skillpoints? will they just give me all battlecruisers IV with 0% progress to rank V and say "you just wasted 25 days, but you got all 4 races battlecruisers at IV"? because if that's the case i'd gladly drop one of the racial battle cruisers because I to V is faster than IV to V 4 times.
does that make any more sense?
But that's what I meant. Inferno hits in 27 days, but as far as I know, these changes to BC and Destroyer skills will NOT BE IMPLEMENTED BY THEN. CCP claimed they wanted to review the ship lines first, possibly introducing new Destroyer hulls. ONLY after they've revisited and redesigned the ships themselves, the changes to skills will be implemented. So no, you don't JUST have 27 days. You probably have months. that's good to know, looks like i'll be able to get racial battlecruisers and destroyers then. |

Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.05.04 20:19:00 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:(come on T1 missile Cormorant) this alone would make me want to train dessy V |

Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.06.24 11:15:00 -
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Demonfuge Malevolent wrote:Dato Koppla wrote:I know similar topics have been made, but this isn't for discussion, I just want to know how many trained BC V and Dessie V (with the prereqs for every race) just because of the upcoming skill split and possible HUGE sp giveaway tied to the whole "if you can fly it now, you can fly it post patch" notion. I know I did.
Also want to know who doesn't have BC/Dessie V and didn't immediately start training them the second the caught wind of the changes. Bittervets obviously already have both and probably all Cruiser/Frigate V. Still have 2 months to run on the Int/Mem remap... was then going to remap for the social/trade skills BUT I will probably have to go to Per/Will again instead for BC/Dessie V. Every so often I petition CCP to check if there's an implementation date for this yet... if I catch wind of a fixed date I'll have to jettison the remaining Int/Mem and go straight on to BC/Dessie V.
we know it's being done in ship size order, and they're not even finished with frigs, there's no words on the new destroyers other than a footnote on the mining barge blog...
safe to say you've got plenty of time. you'll probably get a free re-map xmas present before the changes so don't worry about it. |

Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.07.05 11:50:00 -
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Mavnas wrote:This seems like too big of a free gift to be true, but on the other hand I can fly three races' Command Ships currently. I'd be more than mildly annoyed if I couldn't fly at least 2 of those 3 after. (and yes I also have Command Ships V also)
how is it too big of a free gift?
all they're doing is making your clone more expensive. |

Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.07.07 18:26:00 -
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Lukriss wrote:Why does everyone just assume that the Commandships/Dictors will require BC/Dessie V?
because they're t2 hulls, and ccp have already said t2 hulls will require the t1 hull at V.
frig IV -> destroyers. frig V -> interceptors/AF/cov ops/electronic whatsit.
hence, destroyers V will be needed for dictors, and bc V will be needed for command ships. infact, there's a few flow chart type things ccp drew up to illustrate the ship progression stuff. |

Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.07.07 18:35:00 -
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Alexander Sinclair wrote:Dave stark wrote:Lukriss wrote:Why does everyone just assume that the Commandships/Dictors will require BC/Dessie V? because they're t2 hulls, and ccp have already said t2 hulls will require the t1 hull at V. frig IV -> destroyers. frig V -> interceptors/AF/cov ops/electronic whatsit. hence, destroyers V will be needed for dictors, and bc V will be needed for command ships. infact, there's a few flow chart type things ccp drew up to illustrate the ship progression stuff. Hmmm you may be right but all the non Dictor and CS tech 2 hull skills weren't bound to a racial ship type, because they were made to work with all the racial hull types of the qualifying class, maybe you just need 1 racial hull to unlock the skill or something.
you needed racial cruisers as a prereq to individual battle cruisers, the racial cruiser skill will be a prereq to the racial battle cruiser *skill* not the racial *ship* if that makes sense?
so where as currently for the vulture you need caldari cruisers V, in the future if ccp sticks to their plan you should only need IV (for caldari battle cruiser skill) and then caldari battle cruiser skill at V + command ships whatever level + what ever else you need for a command ship. |

Dave stark
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.18 08:03:00 -
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Charlie Jacobson wrote:How long do we have until this change hits? I'm currently on an INT/MEM remap.
quite a while, they want to re-balance the destroyers before they change the skills for destroyers, then they'll be doing cruisers, then battlecruisers (again, ships first then skills)
and considering we're still on frigates... i wouldn't worry too much. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Dave stark
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.07.18 11:55:00 -
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Darius Brinn wrote:Dave stark wrote:Charlie Jacobson wrote:How long do we have until this change hits? I'm currently on an INT/MEM remap. quite a while, they want to re-balance the destroyers before they change the skills for destroyers, then they'll be doing cruisers, then battlecruisers (again, ships first then skills) and considering we're still on frigates... i wouldn't worry too much. **** it. I will play the OCD guy and train to V WHATEVER might be even REMOTELY affected by the changes to Destroyers and Battlecruisers. Before the end of the year, I will finish training all racial frigates and cruisers to V, Interdictors V and Command Ships V, which is no small fear seeing as I never invested a single SP in any Leadership. Until I'm done with this, screw every other training. Yes, I will train Amarr Cruiser V despite not even having Small energy turret injected (yet...). And if it all comes to zero, I hear good things about the Sabre and the Sleipnir/Claymore and having them at V can't hurt.
the joy of this game is that eventually, at some point, you'll find a use for some thing you trained eons ago without knowing why you trained it.
also on the first weekend of the alliance tournament slep/slep/scim setups were quite popular, so i'd say it never hurts to be able to fly a sleipnir. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
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Posted - 2012.07.18 14:26:00 -
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"because i can" is all the justification you need to do anything :P Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
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Posted - 2012.07.26 16:44:00 -
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Dirty Monk3y wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Don't forget about Jump Freighters. In theory, as tech 2 ships, the ship revamp will require having racial freighter 5 as a prereq (currently freighter 4 is required.) Assuming that CCP doesn't change their mind, anyone who can fly a jump freighter should get a free bump from racial freighter 4 to freighter 5.
doubt that will happen but keep wishing
it will, ccp have said it will. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
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